Seth the Pokerman asked that I pass along our off-list conversation that
offers a new angle of the issue of pilfered or vandalized boxes.
Seth noted that he was the first finder recently for a series of three
boxes left right out in the open by the placer. Others on the list have
also talked about newbie boxes being a problem or uninformed seekers leaving
found boxes open to the elements.
The real issue raised by the Boston Globe thread is not the publicity
but is about poorly trained and uninformed letterboxers.
I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved if we
required people to document that they had found at least five boxes BEFORE
they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also require a
brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help the stolen
box problem.
Clyde (C2B2)
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Simple solution?
28 messages in this thread |
Started on 2005-05-19
Simple solution?
From: Clyde Bentley (bentleycl@missouri.edu) |
Date: 2005-05-19 21:23:08 UTC-05:00
Re: Simple solution?
From: rscarpen (letterboxing@atlasquest.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 06:21:39 UTC
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five boxes
> BEFORE they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also
> require a brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
And how would such a system be enforced?
Seems like the element of "reality" is missing from this scenario.
People are going to place boxes if they want to regardless of how many
they've already found or an on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
Not saying it's a bad idea, but it is. ;o) At least in the sense of
enforcement goes.
And just so nobody else has to take a bullet on the issue, there's
probably a number of people who will point out that there aren't five
letterboxes within a hundred miles of where they live and if they had
to wait until they found five before they could plant a box, they'd
have to wait YEARS! So those people probably won't support such an
idea either.
For those newbies out there, though, I'd definitely recommend finding
as many as you can before you start planting boxes of your own. You'll
learn the difference between a good and bad hiding place and when you
are ready to plant a box, it'll be that much better. Learn from other
people--find boxes before you start planting them.
Enforcing such a rule would be a tough go, however.
-- Ryan
> required people to document that they had found at least five boxes
> BEFORE they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also
> require a brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
And how would such a system be enforced?
Seems like the element of "reality" is missing from this scenario.
People are going to place boxes if they want to regardless of how many
they've already found or an on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
Not saying it's a bad idea, but it is. ;o) At least in the sense of
enforcement goes.
And just so nobody else has to take a bullet on the issue, there's
probably a number of people who will point out that there aren't five
letterboxes within a hundred miles of where they live and if they had
to wait until they found five before they could plant a box, they'd
have to wait YEARS! So those people probably won't support such an
idea either.
For those newbies out there, though, I'd definitely recommend finding
as many as you can before you start planting boxes of your own. You'll
learn the difference between a good and bad hiding place and when you
are ready to plant a box, it'll be that much better. Learn from other
people--find boxes before you start planting them.
Enforcing such a rule would be a tough go, however.
-- Ryan
Re: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: Eibhlin/Aisling (eibhlinm@gmail.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 07:27:24 UTC-05:00
Hi,
The placement of boxes is a very good point. And, it's a dilemma in
some locations as well.
For example, one of my letterboxes--now missing--was in a New England
stone wall. The choices were: Do I hide it well in the wall and risk
over-enthusiastic people dismantling part of the wall; or, do I place
the box where it could be seen by a child of the right height, just
looking into the wall? In that particular setting--a wonderful old NH
cemetery--the wall was my only possible hiding place if I wanted
people to visit the cemetery to enjoy its history.
I chose the latter--not very concealed--and I was more surprised at
how long the box survived rather than how quickly it was "lost."
Today, I live in Texas, where some locations present different
challenges: Spiders and snakes in hidden natural crevices that--in New
England--I'd consider "just waiting for a letterbox."
I generally study clues for hints about how well a box has been
placed. A box that is described as "on top of" a boulder, or some
other natural landmark... there's less than a 50/50 chance that it's
still there. Likewise, if I get to the site and the clues are clearly
by a newbie, I know that my search may be fruitless.
But, I have to add this: I letterbox for a variety of reasons, only
one of which is finding the box and adding to my numbers. At least
half of why I do this--and probably more like 80%--is the adventure
and the absolute joy of exploring new trails, seeing new sights, and
so on. My photos from letterboxing hikes are probably more valuable
to me than the stamps in my own logbook.
That said, I know that many people are very goal-driven, so a missing
letterbox is far more significant disappointing for them than it is
for me.
Here is one suggestion for those who feel that experienced
letterboxers are more likely to plant reliable, well-hidden boxes with
good clues: On your clue pages, post your numbers found, planted, and
so on. You can update this with one click, with a simple JavaScript
code that's entered on each clue page as you create it.
The liability there is, of course, boxes that you planted earlier are
probably less reliable than your later boxes, but if you note when the
box was planted, readers can make an informed guess about the
likelihood of the box still being there.
Cheerfully,
Aisling D'Art
The placement of boxes is a very good point. And, it's a dilemma in
some locations as well.
For example, one of my letterboxes--now missing--was in a New England
stone wall. The choices were: Do I hide it well in the wall and risk
over-enthusiastic people dismantling part of the wall; or, do I place
the box where it could be seen by a child of the right height, just
looking into the wall? In that particular setting--a wonderful old NH
cemetery--the wall was my only possible hiding place if I wanted
people to visit the cemetery to enjoy its history.
I chose the latter--not very concealed--and I was more surprised at
how long the box survived rather than how quickly it was "lost."
Today, I live in Texas, where some locations present different
challenges: Spiders and snakes in hidden natural crevices that--in New
England--I'd consider "just waiting for a letterbox."
I generally study clues for hints about how well a box has been
placed. A box that is described as "on top of" a boulder, or some
other natural landmark... there's less than a 50/50 chance that it's
still there. Likewise, if I get to the site and the clues are clearly
by a newbie, I know that my search may be fruitless.
But, I have to add this: I letterbox for a variety of reasons, only
one of which is finding the box and adding to my numbers. At least
half of why I do this--and probably more like 80%--is the adventure
and the absolute joy of exploring new trails, seeing new sights, and
so on. My photos from letterboxing hikes are probably more valuable
to me than the stamps in my own logbook.
That said, I know that many people are very goal-driven, so a missing
letterbox is far more significant disappointing for them than it is
for me.
Here is one suggestion for those who feel that experienced
letterboxers are more likely to plant reliable, well-hidden boxes with
good clues: On your clue pages, post your numbers found, planted, and
so on. You can update this with one click, with a simple JavaScript
code that's entered on each clue page as you create it.
The liability there is, of course, boxes that you planted earlier are
probably less reliable than your later boxes, but if you note when the
box was planted, readers can make an informed guess about the
likelihood of the box still being there.
Cheerfully,
Aisling D'Art
Re: Simple solution?
From: lnd_crzr (rmed_mountain@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 13:11:16 UTC
One of LB greateast attributes is that there's no hard rules to go
by. Trying to place regulations is futile and takes away from it's
charm. If there is a big issue of newbies improperly hiding LBs,
then maybe we should emphasis proper hiding technique anytime a new
person posts a question.
The issue I have more concern about is Improper Re-Hideation, so
much so I made a LB to raise local awareness. Unfortunatly it
hasn't seemed to help. I recently found my Rock Bridge missing. I
took a calculated risk in it's location, a high traffic area. But
it was a great hiding spot and one that would remain unfound unless
you had the clues or it was improperly re-hidden. So I'll replace
it. Maybe in the same spot, maybe not. A cool hiding spot, to me,
is a lot of the fun.
I see LB as placing a bit of joy out into the world, with no
expectations. You just throw it out for others to enjoy. Maybe
lots of folks will find it and maybe no one will. That's what I
find so neat about it (among other things). Maybe your box will be
kidnapped by the FF. We just never know. Placing a box we all know
the risks. We do our best, but the possibility always exsists that
someone won't re-hide it properly and someone will take it.
Remember; only you can prevent Improper Re-Hideation!
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley
wrote:
> Seth the Pokerman asked that I pass along our off-list
conversation that
> offers a new angle of the issue of pilfered or vandalized boxes.
> Seth noted that he was the first finder recently for a series
of three
> boxes left right out in the open by the placer. Others on the
list have
> also talked about newbie boxes being a problem or uninformed
seekers leaving
> found boxes open to the elements.
> The real issue raised by the Boston Globe thread is not the
publicity
> but is about poorly trained and uninformed letterboxers.
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved
if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five
boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also
require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help
the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
by. Trying to place regulations is futile and takes away from it's
charm. If there is a big issue of newbies improperly hiding LBs,
then maybe we should emphasis proper hiding technique anytime a new
person posts a question.
The issue I have more concern about is Improper Re-Hideation, so
much so I made a LB to raise local awareness. Unfortunatly it
hasn't seemed to help. I recently found my Rock Bridge missing. I
took a calculated risk in it's location, a high traffic area. But
it was a great hiding spot and one that would remain unfound unless
you had the clues or it was improperly re-hidden. So I'll replace
it. Maybe in the same spot, maybe not. A cool hiding spot, to me,
is a lot of the fun.
I see LB as placing a bit of joy out into the world, with no
expectations. You just throw it out for others to enjoy. Maybe
lots of folks will find it and maybe no one will. That's what I
find so neat about it (among other things). Maybe your box will be
kidnapped by the FF. We just never know. Placing a box we all know
the risks. We do our best, but the possibility always exsists that
someone won't re-hide it properly and someone will take it.
Remember; only you can prevent Improper Re-Hideation!
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley
wrote:
> Seth the Pokerman asked that I pass along our off-list
conversation that
> offers a new angle of the issue of pilfered or vandalized boxes.
> Seth noted that he was the first finder recently for a series
of three
> boxes left right out in the open by the placer. Others on the
list have
> also talked about newbie boxes being a problem or uninformed
seekers leaving
> found boxes open to the elements.
> The real issue raised by the Boston Globe thread is not the
publicity
> but is about poorly trained and uninformed letterboxers.
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved
if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five
boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also
require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help
the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: speedsquare_lbxr (ruhlette@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 13:38:07 UTC
I have lost a few boxes in my first year, but I choose to believe it wasn't at the hands of
humans. On my first day of planting, I placed four. Within a month I was back in the area
(70 miles from home) and thought I would check up on them. The first one was
completely gone, the second one was out in the open, and the third one was destroyed by
an animal. The fourth one was near a creek and waterfall. As of December two were still
active and I will be checking on them soon. The waterfall box has been reported missing
as of last month.
In the case of the box left out in the open, hikers with small children had come upon it,
opened it up and wrote all kinds of questions - this box is my favorite and most complete
letterbox with info about letterboxing. They didn't know what to do with it, so they left it
in the spot they found it. Clearly a critter had pulled it from its hiding spot and chewed on
it a bit. Luckily I found it, put it in an otterbox and put it back into its original hiding spot.
I lost another box, and replaced it. Again, I probably chose an animal's home. Shame on
me.
I can understand frustration, but why dwell on it until it becomes anger? Unless you
actually witness new/careless boxers/vandals ruining letterboxes, why jump to
conclusions? Whether you consider letterboxing a competitive sport or hobby, can we
agree that it is definitely a past-time? Something you do for enjoyment? If this activity
brings you frustration, pain and anger, why do you continue? What is your payoff? Do you
like to post unkind messages and bait others? Do enjoy getting others angry too?
speedsquare
humans. On my first day of planting, I placed four. Within a month I was back in the area
(70 miles from home) and thought I would check up on them. The first one was
completely gone, the second one was out in the open, and the third one was destroyed by
an animal. The fourth one was near a creek and waterfall. As of December two were still
active and I will be checking on them soon. The waterfall box has been reported missing
as of last month.
In the case of the box left out in the open, hikers with small children had come upon it,
opened it up and wrote all kinds of questions - this box is my favorite and most complete
letterbox with info about letterboxing. They didn't know what to do with it, so they left it
in the spot they found it. Clearly a critter had pulled it from its hiding spot and chewed on
it a bit. Luckily I found it, put it in an otterbox and put it back into its original hiding spot.
I lost another box, and replaced it. Again, I probably chose an animal's home. Shame on
me.
I can understand frustration, but why dwell on it until it becomes anger? Unless you
actually witness new/careless boxers/vandals ruining letterboxes, why jump to
conclusions? Whether you consider letterboxing a competitive sport or hobby, can we
agree that it is definitely a past-time? Something you do for enjoyment? If this activity
brings you frustration, pain and anger, why do you continue? What is your payoff? Do you
like to post unkind messages and bait others? Do enjoy getting others angry too?
speedsquare
Re: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: Rick Simpson (simpson.rick@gmail.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 06:56:06 UTC-07:00
Nice post speedsquare.
On 5/20/05, speedsquare_lbxr wrote:
>
> I have lost a few boxes in my first year, but I choose to believe it
> wasn't at the hands of
> humans. On my first day of planting, I placed four. Within a month I was
> back in the area
> (70 miles from home) and thought I would check up on them. The first one
> was
> completely gone, the second one was out in the open, and the third one was
> destroyed by
> an animal. The fourth one was near a creek and waterfall. As of December
> two were still
> active and I will be checking on them soon. The waterfall box has been
> reported missing
> as of last month.
>
> In the case of the box left out in the open, hikers with small children
> had come upon it,
> opened it up and wrote all kinds of questions - this box is my favorite
> and most complete
> letterbox with info about letterboxing. They didn't know what to do with
> it, so they left it
> in the spot they found it. Clearly a critter had pulled it from its hiding
> spot and chewed on
> it a bit. Luckily I found it, put it in an otterbox and put it back into
> its original hiding spot.
> I lost another box, and replaced it. Again, I probably chose an animal's
> home. Shame on
> me.
>
> I can understand frustration, but why dwell on it until it becomes anger?
> Unless you
> actually witness new/careless boxers/vandals ruining letterboxes, why jump
> to
> conclusions? Whether you consider letterboxing a competitive sport or
> hobby, can we
> agree that it is definitely a past-time? Something you do for enjoyment?
> If this activity
> brings you frustration, pain and anger, why do you continue? What is your
> payoff? Do you
> like to post unkind messages and bait others? Do enjoy getting others
> angry too?
>
> speedsquare
>
>
>
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On 5/20/05, speedsquare_lbxr
>
> I have lost a few boxes in my first year, but I choose to believe it
> wasn't at the hands of
> humans. On my first day of planting, I placed four. Within a month I was
> back in the area
> (70 miles from home) and thought I would check up on them. The first one
> was
> completely gone, the second one was out in the open, and the third one was
> destroyed by
> an animal. The fourth one was near a creek and waterfall. As of December
> two were still
> active and I will be checking on them soon. The waterfall box has been
> reported missing
> as of last month.
>
> In the case of the box left out in the open, hikers with small children
> had come upon it,
> opened it up and wrote all kinds of questions - this box is my favorite
> and most complete
> letterbox with info about letterboxing. They didn't know what to do with
> it, so they left it
> in the spot they found it. Clearly a critter had pulled it from its hiding
> spot and chewed on
> it a bit. Luckily I found it, put it in an otterbox and put it back into
> its original hiding spot.
> I lost another box, and replaced it. Again, I probably chose an animal's
> home. Shame on
> me.
>
> I can understand frustration, but why dwell on it until it becomes anger?
> Unless you
> actually witness new/careless boxers/vandals ruining letterboxes, why jump
> to
> conclusions? Whether you consider letterboxing a competitive sport or
> hobby, can we
> agree that it is definitely a past-time? Something you do for enjoyment?
> If this activity
> brings you frustration, pain and anger, why do you continue? What is your
> payoff? Do you
> like to post unkind messages and bait others? Do enjoy getting others
> angry too?
>
> speedsquare
>
>
>
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) |
Date: 2005-05-20 09:47:11 UTC-05:00
<<
......... Whether you consider letterboxing a competitive sport or hobby,
can we
agree that it is definitely a past-time? Something you do for enjoyment?
If this activity
brings you frustration, pain and anger, why do you continue? What is your
payoff? Do you
like to post unkind messages and bait others? Do enjoy getting others angry
too?
speedsquare
>>
Wait a minute!!
You mean I'm not going to be able to make a career out of this???
There must be somebody I can sue about this! I should've been told!
~~ Mosey ~~
Re: Simple solution?
From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 16:12:44 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "speedsquare_lbxr"
wrote:
> I have lost a few boxes in my first year, but I choose to believe
it wasn't at the hands of
> humans.
Hmmm...I have (I mean had) a four box series that had survived a
couple of years--until recently when somebody (I'm assuming it was a
person) found the boxes and removed all of the stamps. Not sure an
animal can remove stamps from 35mm film canisters yet leave the
logbooks intact. These boxes were hidden in 'alternative manners'
so having the clues in hand was practically required to find the
boxes. Just an example. It's funny, the unlisted boxes
(clues not posted to the net--distro'd WOM) seem to fare much better
over the long run. Maybe the animals don't have computers? I'm
just kidding here. Seriously, missing boxes is part of this hobby.
We know that. We're used to onesies/twosies going missing all the
time--it's the nature of the hobby. It's just when lots of boxes go
missing in a short spurt of time and they're all located in a small
radius of a region--it triggers some sort of alarm. Then, the
reason they went missing is likely not due to accidental discovery
but rather a more mischievous or sinister intent. For time, effort,
and resources (I now pay $2.54/gallon of gas and have limited free
time) that go into planting boxes it is VERY frustrating.
I've had a couple of 'clusters' of boxes go missing over the years.
One cluster involved about 15 boxes over the course of 3 weeks and
all within a 5 mile radius of eachother. Once I noticed they'd gone
missing (in piecemeal fashion nonetheless), I pulled the links to
all of the clues from that region and the boxes that were still
intact survived much longer. The ones that disappeared during
the 'cluster attack' were either retired or replanted in totally
different spots.
The point is this--folks who plant boxes put a lot of time and
effort into the process. Sometimes it doesn't seem to be all
that 'appreciated' when visitors fail to re-hide the boxes very well
or send 'rude' comments about the clues being too difficult (yes,
I've received a bunch of these 'odd' comments, too). Not all clues
are designed for elementary students. I've found boxes of ours that
weren't even 'closed' at all after visitors stamped in, ziploc bags
not even zipped (in the NW it's imperative they get closed or the
logbook is toast) and a couple of boxes completely left out in the
open (one we found at about 10:00am just a few hours after another
group of visitors had stamped in--it was completely on the ground,
no attempt to rehide it whatsoever--and its hiding spot was on a
cross beam under an observation deck adjacent a lake--the box was on
the ground in full view of folks standing on the observation deck
above). These are just 'concrete' examples of things we've
experienced over the years--so my answers aren't 'generalizations'
that get short shrifted just because they appear to have 'jumped on
the bandwagon'.
Preaching to the choir here I know but folks need to take care in
rehiding boxes after they visit, camouflage them well and let the
planters know how the boxes are doing so they can keep up with the
maintenance--that can get rather cumbersome with lots of boxes out
in the world. I'm convinced that every letterboxer should plant at
least one box in the world, so they appreciate what goes into the
process. Perhaps that should be an 'initiation' rite once the scars
heal from carving that first signature stamp? ;)
dvn2r ckr
> I have lost a few boxes in my first year, but I choose to believe
it wasn't at the hands of
> humans.
Hmmm...I have (I mean had) a four box series that had survived a
couple of years--until recently when somebody (I'm assuming it was a
person) found the boxes and removed all of the stamps. Not sure an
animal can remove stamps from 35mm film canisters yet leave the
logbooks intact. These boxes were hidden in 'alternative manners'
so having the clues in hand was practically required to find the
boxes. Just an example. It's funny, the unlisted boxes
(clues not posted to the net--distro'd WOM) seem to fare much better
over the long run. Maybe the animals don't have computers? I'm
just kidding here. Seriously, missing boxes is part of this hobby.
We know that. We're used to onesies/twosies going missing all the
time--it's the nature of the hobby. It's just when lots of boxes go
missing in a short spurt of time and they're all located in a small
radius of a region--it triggers some sort of alarm. Then, the
reason they went missing is likely not due to accidental discovery
but rather a more mischievous or sinister intent. For time, effort,
and resources (I now pay $2.54/gallon of gas and have limited free
time) that go into planting boxes it is VERY frustrating.
I've had a couple of 'clusters' of boxes go missing over the years.
One cluster involved about 15 boxes over the course of 3 weeks and
all within a 5 mile radius of eachother. Once I noticed they'd gone
missing (in piecemeal fashion nonetheless), I pulled the links to
all of the clues from that region and the boxes that were still
intact survived much longer. The ones that disappeared during
the 'cluster attack' were either retired or replanted in totally
different spots.
The point is this--folks who plant boxes put a lot of time and
effort into the process. Sometimes it doesn't seem to be all
that 'appreciated' when visitors fail to re-hide the boxes very well
or send 'rude' comments about the clues being too difficult (yes,
I've received a bunch of these 'odd' comments, too). Not all clues
are designed for elementary students. I've found boxes of ours that
weren't even 'closed' at all after visitors stamped in, ziploc bags
not even zipped (in the NW it's imperative they get closed or the
logbook is toast) and a couple of boxes completely left out in the
open (one we found at about 10:00am just a few hours after another
group of visitors had stamped in--it was completely on the ground,
no attempt to rehide it whatsoever--and its hiding spot was on a
cross beam under an observation deck adjacent a lake--the box was on
the ground in full view of folks standing on the observation deck
above). These are just 'concrete' examples of things we've
experienced over the years--so my answers aren't 'generalizations'
that get short shrifted just because they appear to have 'jumped on
the bandwagon'.
Preaching to the choir here I know but folks need to take care in
rehiding boxes after they visit, camouflage them well and let the
planters know how the boxes are doing so they can keep up with the
maintenance--that can get rather cumbersome with lots of boxes out
in the world. I'm convinced that every letterboxer should plant at
least one box in the world, so they appreciate what goes into the
process. Perhaps that should be an 'initiation' rite once the scars
heal from carving that first signature stamp? ;)
dvn2r ckr
Re: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: (mjpepe1@comcast.net) |
Date: 2005-05-20 16:26:01 UTC
>I'm convinced that every letterboxer should plant >at least one box in the world, so they appreciate >what goes into the process. Perhaps that should >be an 'initiation' rite once the scars heal from >carving that first signature stamp? ;)
>dvn2r ckr
Excellent suggestion! A rite of passage - an initiation. Very good idea.
Kind of like raising children - you don't appreciate all the work involved until you have your own!
:-)
Mark
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>dvn2r ckr
Excellent suggestion! A rite of passage - an initiation. Very good idea.
Kind of like raising children - you don't appreciate all the work involved until you have your own!
:-)
Mark
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RE: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: JuneMcAllister (nfmoon@mindspring.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 15:16:12 UTC-04:00
EXCUSE me???? *ALLOWED** to place a box???? Last time I looked this was still America. And just how do you propose to stop someone from placing a box?................follow them around? That's an idea that can't be enforced in the real world. And take a *quiz*?? Please.
missmoon
----- Original Message -----
From: Clyde Bentley
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/19/2005 10:24:50 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Simple solution?
I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved if we
required people to document that they had found at least five boxes BEFORE
they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also require a
brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help the stolen
box problem.
Clyde (C2B2)
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: JuneMcAllister (nfmoon@mindspring.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 15:21:48 UTC-04:00
Here, here.
I think it's obvious to most of us that some people post here for no other reason than to start arguements, be mean, and otherwise get their jollies off while they sit behind the keyboard hitting send. They seem to get more enjoyment out of that than they do letterboxing.
missmoon
I can understand frustration, but why dwell on it until it becomes anger? Unless you
actually witness new/careless boxers/vandals ruining letterboxes, why jump to
conclusions? Whether you consider letterboxing a competitive sport or hobby, can we
agree that it is definitely a past-time? Something you do for enjoyment? If this activity
brings you frustration, pain and anger, why do you continue? What is your payoff? Do you
like to post unkind messages and bait others? Do enjoy getting others angry too?
speedsquare
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I think it's obvious to most of us that some people post here for no other reason than to start arguements, be mean, and otherwise get their jollies off while they sit behind the keyboard hitting send. They seem to get more enjoyment out of that than they do letterboxing.
missmoon
I can understand frustration, but why dwell on it until it becomes anger? Unless you
actually witness new/careless boxers/vandals ruining letterboxes, why jump to
conclusions? Whether you consider letterboxing a competitive sport or hobby, can we
agree that it is definitely a past-time? Something you do for enjoyment? If this activity
brings you frustration, pain and anger, why do you continue? What is your payoff? Do you
like to post unkind messages and bait others? Do enjoy getting others angry too?
speedsquare
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: JuneMcAllister (nfmoon@mindspring.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 15:24:02 UTC-04:00
Sorry, can't sue. It's in the rulebook along with the other nonrules. Paragraph 47, subparagraph 18, section B, subsection F, line 13.
missmoon
Wait a minute!!
You mean I'm not going to be able to make a career out of this???
There must be somebody I can sue about this! I should've been told!
~~ Mosey ~~
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missmoon
Wait a minute!!
You mean I'm not going to be able to make a career out of this???
There must be somebody I can sue about this! I should've been told!
~~ Mosey ~~
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: (Stellabaker123@aol.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 16:05:47 UTC-04:00
My first plant was a stamp from the L.I Greenbelt Trail which celebrated its
25th anniversary. It disappeared within three months. All was gone book,
pad, stamp, box;
I was heart broken. It took some time to GET OVER IT.. I finally planted a
winter series in the same park this year & all went well. I was delighted.
STAR:W+S=DRR
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25th anniversary. It disappeared within three months. All was gone book,
pad, stamp, box;
I was heart broken. It took some time to GET OVER IT.. I finally planted a
winter series in the same park this year & all went well. I was delighted.
STAR:W+S=DRR
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[LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge (lady_prisspott@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 20:25:57 UTC
Ladies, Ladies, Please. We're all choking on the flying fur here.
As one of those people who enjoys these flames because, lets face it,
it's fun to watch people behaving, well, like people. If you sit back
and observe without getting emotionally involved it's actually quite
funny at times. I don't think anyone posts to be mean but I think
everyone needs to work on being a little less sensative and slow down
on the knee jerk reactions. However (looking both ways and whispering)
it's the knee jerk reactions that are the most fun.
I think the solution is to welcome the newbies with open arms, and
then use the extended apendage to slap some sense into them
(figuratively speaking of course....)
LP
As one of those people who enjoys these flames because, lets face it,
it's fun to watch people behaving, well, like people. If you sit back
and observe without getting emotionally involved it's actually quite
funny at times. I don't think anyone posts to be mean but I think
everyone needs to work on being a little less sensative and slow down
on the knee jerk reactions. However (looking both ways and whispering)
it's the knee jerk reactions that are the most fun.
I think the solution is to welcome the newbies with open arms, and
then use the extended apendage to slap some sense into them
(figuratively speaking of course....)
LP
Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: Rick Simpson (simpson.rick@gmail.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 14:18:52 UTC-07:00
Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already begun writing
a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
Here's the Table of Contents:
The
"rules"..................................................................................1
The "secret
rules"........................................................................3
10 ways to look down on store bought stamps...............................5
10 posts that prove you didn't read the
FAQ...................................8
10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to yourself..............10
Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
stuff...........................13
South Carolina: What
gives?.........................................................20
Containers that leak and the people who plant them. .....................22
Ziplock technology and its
history.................................................55
Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
addicts?..............................180
How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with you.............181
Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
users........................183
True North: Pointing to true
dorkiness...........................................184
The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
LBNA.................................190
Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
state........................................200
Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
On 5/20/05, JuneMcAllister wrote:
>
>
> EXCUSE me???? *ALLOWED** to place a box???? Last time I looked this was
> still America. And just how do you propose to stop someone from placing a
> box?................follow them around? That's an idea that can't be
> enforced in the real world. And take a *quiz*?? Please.
> missmoon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Clyde Bentley
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 5/19/2005 10:24:50 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Simple solution?
>
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Yahoo! Groups Links*
>
> - To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/
> - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
Here's the Table of Contents:
The
"rules"..................................................................................1
The "secret
rules"........................................................................3
10 ways to look down on store bought stamps...............................5
10 posts that prove you didn't read the
FAQ...................................8
10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to yourself..............10
Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
stuff...........................13
South Carolina: What
gives?.........................................................20
Containers that leak and the people who plant them. .....................22
Ziplock technology and its
history.................................................55
Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
addicts?..............................180
How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with you.............181
Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
users........................183
True North: Pointing to true
dorkiness...........................................184
The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
LBNA.................................190
Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
state........................................200
Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
On 5/20/05, JuneMcAllister
>
>
> EXCUSE me???? *ALLOWED** to place a box???? Last time I looked this was
> still America. And just how do you propose to stop someone from placing a
> box?................follow them around? That's an idea that can't be
> enforced in the real world. And take a *quiz*?? Please.
> missmoon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Clyde Bentley
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 5/19/2005 10:24:50 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Simple solution?
>
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Yahoo! Groups Links*
>
> - To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/
> - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: (scott_katytalbot@comcast.net) |
Date: 2005-05-20 21:31:51 UTC
Don't forget to add a section to your book on "How to use a letterboxing talk group as your personal life counselor."
-------------- Original message --------------
Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already begun writing
a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
Here's the Table of Contents:
The
"rules"..................................................................................1
The "secret
rules"........................................................................3
10 ways to look down on store bought stamps...............................5
10 posts that prove you didn't read the
FAQ...................................8
10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to yourself..............10
Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
stuff...........................13
South Carolina: What
gives?.........................................................20
Containers that leak and the people who plant them. .....................22
Ziplock technology and its
history.................................................55
Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
addicts?..............................180
How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with you.............181
Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
users........................183
True North: Pointing to true
dorkiness...........................................184
The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
LBNA.................................190
Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
state........................................200
Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
On 5/20/05, JuneMcAllister wrote:
>
>
> EXCUSE me???? *ALLOWED** to place a box???? Last time I looked this was
> still America. And just how do you propose to stop someone from placing a
> box?................follow them around? That's an idea that can't be
> enforced in the real world. And take a *quiz*?? Please.
> missmoon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Clyde Bentley
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 5/19/2005 10:24:50 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Simple solution?
>
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Yahoo! Groups Links*
>
> - To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox-usa/
> - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> Service
>
>
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To visit your group on the web, go to:
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-------------- Original message --------------
Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already begun writing
a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
Here's the Table of Contents:
The
"rules"..................................................................................1
The "secret
rules"........................................................................3
10 ways to look down on store bought stamps...............................5
10 posts that prove you didn't read the
FAQ...................................8
10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to yourself..............10
Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
stuff...........................13
South Carolina: What
gives?.........................................................20
Containers that leak and the people who plant them. .....................22
Ziplock technology and its
history.................................................55
Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
addicts?..............................180
How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with you.............181
Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
users........................183
True North: Pointing to true
dorkiness...........................................184
The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
LBNA.................................190
Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
state........................................200
Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
On 5/20/05, JuneMcAllister
>
>
> EXCUSE me???? *ALLOWED** to place a box???? Last time I looked this was
> still America. And just how do you propose to stop someone from placing a
> box?................follow them around? That's an idea that can't be
> enforced in the real world. And take a *quiz*?? Please.
> missmoon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Clyde Bentley
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 5/19/2005 10:24:50 PM
> Subject: [LbNA] Simple solution?
>
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *Yahoo! Groups Links*
>
> - To visit your group on the web, go to:
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>
>
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Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: Pamela Smith Lenox (pamela.lenox@verizon.net) |
Date: 2005-05-20 17:40:12 UTC-04:00
Mmmmmm. Some of the best lemonade I've had in ages. :-)
pezpam
On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 05:18 PM, Rick Simpson wrote:
> Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already begun
> writing
> a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
> Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
>
> Here's the Table of Contents:
>
> The
> "rules"................................................................
> ..................1
> The "secret
> rules".................................................................
> .......3
> 10 ways to look down on store bought
> stamps...............................5
> 10 posts that prove you didn't read the
> FAQ...................................8
> 10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to
> yourself..............10
> Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
> Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
> stuff...........................13
> South Carolina: What
> gives?.........................................................20
> Containers that leak and the people who plant them.
> .....................22
> Ziplock technology and its
> history.................................................55
> Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
> addicts?..............................180
> How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with
> you.............181
> Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
> users........................183
> True North: Pointing to true
> dorkiness...........................................184
> The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
> LBNA.................................190
> Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
> state........................................200
> Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
> Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
>
>
pezpam
On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 05:18 PM, Rick Simpson wrote:
> Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already begun
> writing
> a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
> Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
>
> Here's the Table of Contents:
>
> The
> "rules"................................................................
> ..................1
> The "secret
> rules".................................................................
> .......3
> 10 ways to look down on store bought
> stamps...............................5
> 10 posts that prove you didn't read the
> FAQ...................................8
> 10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to
> yourself..............10
> Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
> Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
> stuff...........................13
> South Carolina: What
> gives?.........................................................20
> Containers that leak and the people who plant them.
> .....................22
> Ziplock technology and its
> history.................................................55
> Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
> addicts?..............................180
> How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with
> you.............181
> Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
> users........................183
> True North: Pointing to true
> dorkiness...........................................184
> The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
> LBNA.................................190
> Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
> state........................................200
> Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
> Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
>
>
Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: Pats DuBos (votremerci@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 15:00:49 UTC-07:00
Oh that's hilarious. I'm looking forward to reading the 125 pages on Ziplock Technology and its History. It's a delicate subject that should be clear. How about some buzzwords designed to make others feel stupid too. Or the PFXLMNOP deciphering - some look like a plane ticket coding.
Rick Simpson wrote:
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Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: dewberrylb (dewberrylb@gmail.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 23:11:29 UTC
Please add at least 3 pages on The True Meaning of a Pace.
--Dewberry
> -------------- Original message --------------
> Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already
begun writing
> a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it
through
> Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
>
> Here's the Table of Contents:
>
> The
> "rules"............................................................
......................1
> The "secret
>
rules"...............................................................
.........3
> 10 ways to look down on store bought
stamps...............................5
> 10 posts that prove you didn't read the
> FAQ...................................8
> 10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to
yourself..............10
> Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff
(White)....12
> Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
> stuff...........................13
> South Carolina: What
> gives?.........................................................20
> Containers that leak and the people who plant
them. .....................22
> Ziplock technology and its
> history.................................................55
> Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
> addicts?..............................180
> How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with
you.............181
> Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
> users........................183
> True North: Pointing to true
> dorkiness...........................................184
> The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
> LBNA.................................190
> Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
> state........................................200
> Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the
dirt.....210
> Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you
stamp...............220
>
>
>
>
>
--Dewberry
> -------------- Original message --------------
> Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already
begun writing
> a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it
through
> Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
>
> Here's the Table of Contents:
>
> The
> "rules"............................................................
......................1
> The "secret
>
rules"...............................................................
.........3
> 10 ways to look down on store bought
stamps...............................5
> 10 posts that prove you didn't read the
> FAQ...................................8
> 10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to
yourself..............10
> Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff
(White)....12
> Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
> stuff...........................13
> South Carolina: What
> gives?.........................................................20
> Containers that leak and the people who plant
them. .....................22
> Ziplock technology and its
> history.................................................55
> Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
> addicts?..............................180
> How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with
you.............181
> Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
> users........................183
> True North: Pointing to true
> dorkiness...........................................184
> The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
> LBNA.................................190
> Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
> state........................................200
> Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the
dirt.....210
> Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you
stamp...............220
>
>
>
>
>
[LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: monkeygirlandmadcelt (klspinks@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 23:15:36 UTC
Perhaps this is a topic to post to the "newboxers" group...they have
a "Topic of the Week" that comes out on Mondays.
- Monkeygirl
a "Topic of the Week" that comes out on Mondays.
- Monkeygirl
RE: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: JuneMcAllister (nfmoon@mindspring.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 19:42:08 UTC-04:00
I agree my deah, watching is usually entertaining enough, but once in a while one simply must stick one's toes in down into the mud and wiggle them just a bit. And you *are* using the term "ladies" loosely are you not?
missmoon
----- Original Message -----
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/20/2005 4:26:11 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
Ladies, Ladies, Please. We're all choking on the flying fur here.
As one of those people who enjoys these flames because, lets face it,
it's fun to watch people behaving, well, like people. If you sit back
and observe without getting emotionally involved it's actually quite
funny at times. I don't think anyone posts to be mean but I think
everyone needs to work on being a little less sensative and slow down
on the knee jerk reactions. However (looking both ways and whispering)
it's the knee jerk reactions that are the most fun.
I think the solution is to welcome the newbies with open arms, and
then use the extended apendage to slap some sense into them
(figuratively speaking of course....)
LP
Yahoo! Groups Links
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missmoon
----- Original Message -----
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/20/2005 4:26:11 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
Ladies, Ladies, Please. We're all choking on the flying fur here.
As one of those people who enjoys these flames because, lets face it,
it's fun to watch people behaving, well, like people. If you sit back
and observe without getting emotionally involved it's actually quite
funny at times. I don't think anyone posts to be mean but I think
everyone needs to work on being a little less sensative and slow down
on the knee jerk reactions. However (looking both ways and whispering)
it's the knee jerk reactions that are the most fun.
I think the solution is to welcome the newbies with open arms, and
then use the extended apendage to slap some sense into them
(figuratively speaking of course....)
LP
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Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: JuneMcAllister (nfmoon@mindspring.com) |
Date: 2005-05-20 19:57:44 UTC-04:00
My personal fave. Could we have a special photo section on "Naked Boxing, Real Or Legend?"
From: Rick Simpson
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/20/2005 5:19:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
South Carolina: What
gives?.........................................................20
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From: Rick Simpson
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/20/2005 5:19:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
South Carolina: What
gives?.........................................................20
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[LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: speedsquare_lbxr (ruhlette@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-05-21 01:03:09 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Mosey" wrote:
> Wait a minute!!
>
> You mean I'm not going to be able to make a career out of this???
>
> There must be somebody I can sue about this! I should've been told!
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
If career implies getting paid to letterbox, well, I am sorry to inform you of the bad news
...
> Wait a minute!!
>
> You mean I'm not going to be able to make a career out of this???
>
> There must be somebody I can sue about this! I should've been told!
>
> ~~ Mosey ~~
If career implies getting paid to letterbox, well, I am sorry to inform you of the bad news
...
Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: speedsquare_lbxr (ruhlette@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2005-05-21 01:14:55 UTC
Or six half-pages.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dewberrylb" wrote:
> Please add at least 3 pages on The True Meaning of a Pace.
>
>
> --Dewberry
>
>
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already
> begun writing
> > a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it
> through
> > Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dewberrylb"
> Please add at least 3 pages on The True Meaning of a Pace.
>
>
> --Dewberry
>
>
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already
> begun writing
> > a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it
> through
> > Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
Re: [LbNA] Simple solution?
From: ELLEN RUPARD (ellenrupard@sbcglobal.net) |
Date: 2005-05-20 19:50:35 UTC-07:00
This is funny. Even the TOC is worth reading! LMAO!
Pamela Smith Lenox wrote:Mmmmmm. Some of the best lemonade I've had in ages. :-)
pezpam
On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 05:18 PM, Rick Simpson wrote:
> Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already begun
> writing
> a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
> Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
>
> Here's the Table of Contents:
>
> The
> "rules"................................................................
> ..................1
> The "secret
> rules".................................................................
> .......3
> 10 ways to look down on store bought
> stamps...............................5
> 10 posts that prove you didn't read the
> FAQ...................................8
> 10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to
> yourself..............10
> Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
> Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
> stuff...........................13
> South Carolina: What
> gives?.........................................................20
> Containers that leak and the people who plant them.
> .....................22
> Ziplock technology and its
> history.................................................55
> Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
> addicts?..............................180
> How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with
> you.............181
> Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
> users........................183
> True North: Pointing to true
> dorkiness...........................................184
> The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
> LBNA.................................190
> Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
> state........................................200
> Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
> Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
>
>
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Pamela Smith Lenox
pezpam
On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 05:18 PM, Rick Simpson wrote:
> Like they say, when you get lemons make lemonade. I've already begun
> writing
> a Letterboxing Worthiness Quiz Study Guide. I'll be selling it through
> Amazon and Tom Delay's website soon. Keep an eye out for it.
>
> Here's the Table of Contents:
>
> The
> "rules"................................................................
> ..................1
> The "secret
> rules".................................................................
> .......3
> 10 ways to look down on store bought
> stamps...............................5
> 10 posts that prove you didn't read the
> FAQ...................................8
> 10 ways to look down on newbies and justify it to
> yourself..............10
> Carving Mediums: MasterCarve, PZKut, Stuff (Pink), Stuff (White)....12
> Clarifications about the Pink Stuff and White
> stuff...........................13
> South Carolina: What
> gives?.........................................................20
> Containers that leak and the people who plant them.
> .....................22
> Ziplock technology and its
> history.................................................55
> Postal Letterboxers: Shut-ins or total
> addicts?..............................180
> How to go off topic in the forums and bring others with
> you.............181
> Speedballs, no longer just for hard core drug
> users........................183
> True North: Pointing to true
> dorkiness...........................................184
> The Toa of Letterboxing: Atlasquest &
> LBNA.................................190
> Appendix A: WOM letterboxes by
> state........................................200
> Appendix B: What to yell when you drop your ink pad in the dirt.....210
> Appendix C: What to yell when you mis-carve you stamp...............220
>
>
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Re: Simple solution?
From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) |
Date: 2005-05-23 03:05:13 UTC
In theory perhaps a simple solution. But not necessarily realistic
or even effective.
Had there been such a "5-box" rule when I began letterboxing, I
would probably have not gotten involved in the hobby. There were
not 5 boxes within 3 hours of me. So instead, I placed boxes, many
boxes, after having only found 2 boxes. I read every letterboxing
FAQ and every web site I could find. I e-mailed people on the list
with questions -- probably to the point of annoying some, but most
were extremely helpful. And I planted letterboxes not knowing who
or if anyone was even going to come looking for them. To those who
live in areas where letterboxes are plentiful and distances from
state to state are short, such a rule may seem a logical solution,
but I would bet my situation is not unique and the spread of
letterboxes to areas where there once were none has been in large,
done by people who have found few boxes and plant because that is
the only way you can play the game when there are no boxes near you.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against some sort of a "pass the bar"
thing in this game. I like the system they have in the UK where you
can't get the clues without proving that you are a player. But
rather than restrict people from planting, I would rather see
restriction of clues -- and availability based on a combined number
of plants & finds (thus making clues attainable to people who
primarily find and to those who primarily plant). I like the
AtlasQuest "premium members only" clue premise, but there are so few
premium members in my area, if I restricted my clues in this way,
who would ever find them?
On another note... I do not disagree that newbies are guilty of not
rehiding boxes well, of not being discreet, etc. But I cannot tell
you how many times I have come upon a letterbox that was in plain
view or not re-packaged well and the last finder was not a newbie,
rather folks who have been around for a while. There is always the
possibility that animals or non-letterboxers are the ones
responsible for a poorly hidden box.
I am a firm believer that one of the best ways to safeguard your
boxes from disappearing is to choose good hiding places and to make
the clues more difficult than the all-too-common, "Take trail X,
turn at the 20-armed oak and look in the hollow log," not to mention
the options for making clues harder to get to in the first place.
You cannot control other people, their level of respect (or lack of
respect) for your boxes and the environment or the manner in which
they play this game. You only can control the way you play the
game. And within that, there are many possibilites, including well-
hidden boxes and well-hidden clues.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley
wrote:
> Seth the Pokerman asked that I pass along our off-list
conversation that
> offers a new angle of the issue of pilfered or vandalized boxes.
> Seth noted that he was the first finder recently for a series
of three
> boxes left right out in the open by the placer. Others on the
list have
> also talked about newbie boxes being a problem or uninformed
seekers leaving
> found boxes open to the elements.
> The real issue raised by the Boston Globe thread is not the
publicity
> but is about poorly trained and uninformed letterboxers.
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved
if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five
boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also
require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help
the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
or even effective.
Had there been such a "5-box" rule when I began letterboxing, I
would probably have not gotten involved in the hobby. There were
not 5 boxes within 3 hours of me. So instead, I placed boxes, many
boxes, after having only found 2 boxes. I read every letterboxing
FAQ and every web site I could find. I e-mailed people on the list
with questions -- probably to the point of annoying some, but most
were extremely helpful. And I planted letterboxes not knowing who
or if anyone was even going to come looking for them. To those who
live in areas where letterboxes are plentiful and distances from
state to state are short, such a rule may seem a logical solution,
but I would bet my situation is not unique and the spread of
letterboxes to areas where there once were none has been in large,
done by people who have found few boxes and plant because that is
the only way you can play the game when there are no boxes near you.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against some sort of a "pass the bar"
thing in this game. I like the system they have in the UK where you
can't get the clues without proving that you are a player. But
rather than restrict people from planting, I would rather see
restriction of clues -- and availability based on a combined number
of plants & finds (thus making clues attainable to people who
primarily find and to those who primarily plant). I like the
AtlasQuest "premium members only" clue premise, but there are so few
premium members in my area, if I restricted my clues in this way,
who would ever find them?
On another note... I do not disagree that newbies are guilty of not
rehiding boxes well, of not being discreet, etc. But I cannot tell
you how many times I have come upon a letterbox that was in plain
view or not re-packaged well and the last finder was not a newbie,
rather folks who have been around for a while. There is always the
possibility that animals or non-letterboxers are the ones
responsible for a poorly hidden box.
I am a firm believer that one of the best ways to safeguard your
boxes from disappearing is to choose good hiding places and to make
the clues more difficult than the all-too-common, "Take trail X,
turn at the 20-armed oak and look in the hollow log," not to mention
the options for making clues harder to get to in the first place.
You cannot control other people, their level of respect (or lack of
respect) for your boxes and the environment or the manner in which
they play this game. You only can control the way you play the
game. And within that, there are many possibilites, including well-
hidden boxes and well-hidden clues.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Clyde Bentley
wrote:
> Seth the Pokerman asked that I pass along our off-list
conversation that
> offers a new angle of the issue of pilfered or vandalized boxes.
> Seth noted that he was the first finder recently for a series
of three
> boxes left right out in the open by the placer. Others on the
list have
> also talked about newbie boxes being a problem or uninformed
seekers leaving
> found boxes open to the elements.
> The real issue raised by the Boston Globe thread is not the
publicity
> but is about poorly trained and uninformed letterboxers.
> I think a great deal of the "clutter" problem could be solved
if we
> required people to document that they had found at least five
boxes BEFORE
> they were allowed to place one of their own. Better yet, also
require a
> brief on-line quiz on letterboxing best practices.
> Neither would slow the pace of the hobby, but both would help
the stolen
> box problem.
>
> Clyde (C2B2)
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: Eibhlin/Aisling (eibhlinm@gmail.com) |
Date: 2005-05-23 12:45:11 UTC-05:00
Hi,
I agree that more challenging clues are a good idea if you want a
letterbox to survive longer. That also needs to be balanced against
the likelihood that--in some locations--animals will get into the box.
Sometimes, curious raccoons just love to carry boxes off a few feet
and open them (or try to).
I've planted some very easy-to-find boxes, and they survived longer
than I expected. But, when I do plant an easy one--sometimes, I've
even put photos online to guide people along the path--I do this with
the full expectation that the box will be gone in weeks, and perhaps
days. Those are usually the boxes that aren't as elegant as my
others, and I won't sob inconsolably if/when they vanish.
I guess that I'm committed to creating some boxes that are very easy
for beginners, as well as tougher challenges for letterboxers with
more experience.
But, I'm also someone who does this for fun, and enjoys the challenges
as well as the hikes, almost as much as the thrill of finding a
letterbox.
Cheerfully,
Ais
http://www.aisling.net/
I agree that more challenging clues are a good idea if you want a
letterbox to survive longer. That also needs to be balanced against
the likelihood that--in some locations--animals will get into the box.
Sometimes, curious raccoons just love to carry boxes off a few feet
and open them (or try to).
I've planted some very easy-to-find boxes, and they survived longer
than I expected. But, when I do plant an easy one--sometimes, I've
even put photos online to guide people along the path--I do this with
the full expectation that the box will be gone in weeks, and perhaps
days. Those are usually the boxes that aren't as elegant as my
others, and I won't sob inconsolably if/when they vanish.
I guess that I'm committed to creating some boxes that are very easy
for beginners, as well as tougher challenges for letterboxers with
more experience.
But, I'm also someone who does this for fun, and enjoys the challenges
as well as the hikes, almost as much as the thrill of finding a
letterbox.
Cheerfully,
Ais
http://www.aisling.net/
Re: [LbNA] Re: Simple solution?
From: (Stellabaker123@aol.com) |
Date: 2005-05-23 16:03:33 UTC-04:00
Don't make this too complicated. It's a hobby for fun. We can have
differcult ones for those who choose. I stick to the simple ones. A mile or two or
three and no climbing
( I have knee problems & breathing problem now.) So I take my daughter &
granddaughters when I can & if they want they can do the more differcult ones in
time.
The clue is the choice we make when we want to check out letterboxes.
STAR:W+S=DRR
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differcult ones for those who choose. I stick to the simple ones. A mile or two or
three and no climbing
( I have knee problems & breathing problem now.) So I take my daughter &
granddaughters when I can & if they want they can do the more differcult ones in
time.
The clue is the choice we make when we want to check out letterboxes.
STAR:W+S=DRR
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